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More diatribes and rantings

Instead of seperating a slew of emails into multiple posts:

Jan Marie:
I haven't felt Jack or Shit since I moved down here.
I've been too busy to really realize or think about
it. But I have been thinking about it pretty hard
since yesterday. And here's my conclusion about
things in general - not the somewhat malignant being
watching everyone...

"Judgement as to wether or not there could still be
Magick in this World, other than the Magick humans
create." I don't think Jeremy could have been more
accurate about this. But my opinion in this matter is
that the Magick in the world (other than the Magick
humans create) has been dying a slow death for quite
some time now. You know why I think it's dying? One
word:
Disbelief.
Since the dawn of Christianity, more and more people
have become intolerant to other ideas. There have
been many different religions over the course of the
entire world's history, and none is so intolerant as
Christianity. I am not going to bash it right now,
but point out some things that I have found to be
true.

Some things can't exist if you don't believe in them.
Some things disappear - banished into their own realm
of the world. This has been happening for quite some
time now, and it is quite sad.

How many people believe in fairies? I mean, really
belive that they exist and have a function? Most
people think that fairies are pretty and make good
decorations for their lawns...and that's as far as it
goes. How about angels? Or elementals?
How many people belive in vampires? Both psychic
vampires and your stereotypical bloodsucker...or
Werewolves? Or changers? Or daemons?

People are more willing to believe in benign beings.
But the belief is so limited, it might as well not
exist. And some things are disappearing forever.
Others are striking out to survive. Sean had a point
about certain beings not just plotting something...but
reacting with animalistic instinct. Whether or not
it's directed at us I don't know. There is so much
evil in the world that those beings aligned with that
power are increasing in both number and strength. The
good in the world is slowly being leached out by all
of the 'bad will'. This is where I see a problem. It
has become extremely apparent to me since I moved down
here. Maybe that is why I haven't felt anything...

I believe in fairies.

I believe in angels.

I believe in vampires.

I believe.

DO YOU?

Food for thought
Jan


Cate:
First off, let me say rather emphatically that I do *not* believe in good and evil. Having met many things commonly refered to as evil, either the designations are put in the wrong places, or the system is too binary. I opt for the second. I do believe in light and dark, but only for the reason that when I turn out my lights at night, it gets very, very dark, and when they go back on again, it's light. That's about as far as I'm willing to believe in those concepts though.

On the other hand, I do think the idea of belief plays a big part in this. Probably most of it. Yes, I do believe, and have more than a normal amount of experiences to back it up on the days when I think I've just gone schizo. And there are other people that share those memories, as well, adding further credence to them. I mean, I suppose we *could* have had a shared hallucination, but to have them so often? I've never met or seen a blood-sucking vampire, but I do not doubt that they could be there. For me the burden of proof lies in those who can fully disprove a thing--until then, it's probably real.

Since the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution, people have decided that there is no magic, only science. And since then, and before that as well, though not so very much, magic has been dying, flourishing in only a very few places. Not so much few, I suppose, as just very well hidden unless you look for them.... Magic is a thing only for nursery rooms, and as soon as you leave behind the crib, you're supposed to leave behind dragons, fairies, and anything that looks like it might be wonder. And honestly, I don't think the Christian church had as much to do with the end of magic as people say. I don't necessarily defend it, as I have my own problems with it, but even fear is a form of belief. One does not try to destroy something if it doesn't exist.

I do not mean to imply that science and magic are incompatible, I think they are the same. Remy and I spoke of this last night--Science is magic with a process and rules, and anything outside of that is quackery and occultism. But then, for, say, a ceremonial magician, magic is also a thing that had definite rules, and methods, and orders, and everything not inside those methods was just hedgewizarding.

I'm not entirely convinced that humans are the only things going against us. It seems to me that there are several other groups that are using this chaos as a means of furthering their own goals. Apples, you may be interested to know that someone is filling the hole left by the Pale One, though I havne't been able to learn anyhting of him, just that he continues PO's desires. And PO is about to be reborn as well. As to the thing in my head, while it could have been of human origin, I highly doubt it. It just didn't feel quite right for that. I don't know what it was, or where it came from, but it really didn't feel human in origin. One of the fellows I met here from New York City says that demons have something to do with it. Again, that isn't the whole part of it. (And I wonder how he'd deal with the concept of the Demon Marines--or the Circus, for that matter....) There is an aspect of this that goes into other worlds, as noted by the massive portal at the WTC. And I do think this affects everything in this world, including the current political regime and its wars. If that one starts, then we're just as doomed as if we wage one ourselves, and for much the same reasons. So yes, I agree that war is a thing to avoid. That said, I think I’m done for now. I have classes to go to….

Cate


Sean:

YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS TOLD IN 99 TO INVILTRATE AND DESTROY THE CIRCLE I
FIGURED IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE TRI-MOUNT WAS TO REMAIN IN OUR HANDS
UNTIL THIS TIME BUT SOMETHING WENT WRONG I LET MY EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF ME
I FELL IN LOVE AND IT WAS MY DOWNFALL I TURNED ON MY SIDE NOW I REALISE THAT
I MADE A MISTAKE THAT SUPPOSED GOOD IS THE TRUE EVIL BECAUSE IT'S DECEPTIVE
AND DISHONEST. I DISCOVERED THIS IN SEPTEMBER OF 99 WHEN IWAS TOLD ABOUT MATT
BY BRYAN A WEEK BEFORE JAN BROKE UP WITH ME BRYAN TOLD ME EVERYTHING JAN BUT
YOUR RIGHT JEREMY SHE DIDN'T BETRAY US SHE BETRAYED ME ON MY BIRTHDAY I MADE
A PLEDGE THAT NONE OF MY ENEMIES WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO SAY THEY BEAT ME . I
BASICALY DECLARED WAR ON THEM THAT WAS THE FIRST OF MANY DESICIONS THAT HAVE
BEEN MADE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS . THE FUNNY THING IS THAT OVERALL CATE IS
RIGHT THERE IS NO TRUE GOOD OR TRUE EVIL THERE IS A GREAT BIG SHADE OF GRAY.
BUT THERE ARE SIDES AND ALLIANCES AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE SINCE 99
I'M GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL SIDE I'M SORRY TO THOSE OF WICH IT MIGHT FEEL
BAD FOR THIS DON'T IT IS MY DESTINY I'M STILL FRIENDS WITH MOST OF YOU AND
DON'T WANT IT TO EFFECT OUR FRIENDSHIP . I DO THIS BECUASE THERE THEY TRUST
ME AND THEY ARE HONEST WITH ME AND YES JAN THE LAST COMMENT THAT IS BEING
TYPED IS MEANT TO YOU AS FAR AS THE HONESTY GOES .AS FOR THE PROBLEM YOUR ALL
FACEING YOU I WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF IT BUT IF YOU END UP OVER YOUR
HEAD IN SHIT THEN I WILL SHOW UP TO GET YOU OUT OF IT BECAUSE THATS WHAT
FRIENDS DO


Apples:
It seems to me Sean that you've been more deceitful than all of us combined
if what you say is true. You ask for trust? You did have it until I read
this. Even now it's still there despite the barage of doubt it just took.
However dented and tarnished it may be it will be there until it kills me.
Where's your trust?

Apples


I sent a message on trust at this point, a quick sum up: I trust us all to be what we are. I didn't think to copy and paste it first- I was in a rush.


More Apples:
Since I am apparently the most grounded (and yes it is scary) I'm going to bring this whole thing back into proportion. Shall we merry meet then? We'll talk of things good and bad, up and down, old and new. I would say this Sunday or saturday morning/afternoon would be a good time. Although 'where' is really the question. Probably Troy, considering Remy and Cates lack of transportation.

Apples

P.S. One thing ... and honestly I can't decide either way ... should we invite James. It could be very enlightening or very frightening for him. I don't think a palaver considering such topics as we've already discussed is the best place to learn your first bit about the magickal world but he has felt something.


I again replied, suggesting that someone should talk to James first, gently, and see what he thought



And I also think that I'm going to go and suggest that everyone get some LJ codes (lord knows I have plenty), so that we can found a community on this, and leave messages in a nice, easy to read place, so that email doesn't have to suffice.
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