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A nation of laws?

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Is the United States a nation of law? Do we have rules, set down, that apply to everyone in all situations? Do we not have laws that describe the process through which new laws are enacted? And someone who breaks these laws is, most certainly, a criminal. But what do we call someone who issues broad proclomations promising not to follow certain laws? A law which they themselves put their name out in support of?

If someone claims to support a law, then, when it is passed, refuses to follow it- what do we call that person?

The President apparently. He recently signed the Patriot Act renewal into law, along with the modifications that Congress made, specifically requiring oversight over some of the more questionable parts of the law. Before the ink dried, he issued a statement that basically boiled down to, "I'm going to ignore those parts."

Again- again this bastard places the office of the President, and by extension himself, outside the law. Each time, the defense sounds hollower and hollower. Each time, the pledge to protect us from the boogeymen in turbans seems less and less sincere. The promise that without these draconian institutions we will be crippled in the war on terror sounds more and more like a threat.
  • i've been trying to figure out which is the sadder state of affairs - the fact that dubya continues to do these things or the fact that congress refuses to do anything about it other than more pathetic handwaving.

    if feingold, leahy, et al. are so upset about bush's apparent disregard for the law, maybe they should get off their asses and talk to some of the old-guard conservative republicans - y'know, the ones that claim to believe in notions of small government and strict adherence to the constitution - and try to figure out some way to put the boy-king back in line.
    • A trial followed by a summary execution would be nice. Oh, wait- gotta go. The Secret Service is knocking on my door.
      • Just imagine, the dozen or so people responsible for initiating torture and aggressive war all strung up on the gallows. The might be dropped on the count of 20, for 9+11. Remember, Bush is just the puppet, his cabinet are the real criminals.
  • I don't have much to contribute here, but wanted to just chime in for the sake of letting you know I'm reading and I feel exactly the same. It makes me feel infuriated both at what he does, and at the American public and Congress for letting him get away with it every fucking time.
  • The last act of any Democracy is to ellect a Dictator.
  • Remember, remember the 5th of November...

    I remember having the same types of conversations in New Paltz during that great Jason West thing. I made the claim that it was illegal to marry people without a marriage liscense issued by the State, and that breaking the law and knowingly breaking the law was inappropriate action for any elected official. I even had Greens admitting that it was an action in which the law was broken. The line for logic that I next postulated was lost on them.

    Basically, I said if we applaud leaders for breaking the laws we disagree with, we're setting ourselves up for any leader to break the law, even if we agree with the law. Not that I'm making the claim that Jason West allowed for George Bush's blatent disregard for the law, but I just like to point that out to blind liberal folk.

    Congress doesn't do anything because, imho, there's no real pressure by their constituents to do so. Oh, we have Chuck Shumer and Hinchey talking smack to the President because look at who make up their constituents. Ulster County and the surrounding area really isn't strictly republican or democrat; it's a pleasant libertarian area. That's why you get a good mix of republicans and democrats, the officer of the legislature is chosen more on ability than political party.

    When asked on a news broadcast (admittedly it was a PBS broadcast), why this administration thought it prudent to break with FISA law, the representative of the administration basically said, "Don't call an Arab nation and you won't get wired tapped. If you call one, we want to know why and we will find out." Because the vast majority of the country doesn't distinquish between innocent people calling a Middle Eastern country innocently because of a family member or some sort of export business with aiding terrorists, no one in any "Red" state will say a thing against it. Why muck up the waters when the people who elect you will think you want to make it easy for Mohammed Jihad to contact his people and bomb your suburban mall? Never mind I'm probably being wired-tapped because I called my credit card company.

    It's the fear, which brings me back to the 5th of November. And the vast majority of Americans buy into it.

    Please, there are bigger worries out there. And they're not terror related.
    • I find the idea of the "strong executive" disturbing. Concentrating too much power in a single branch of Government is dangerous. Concentrating that power in a single person trebly so.

      Government, at its best, is a deranged and rabid animal in a cage. At its worst- someone let it out of the cage.
      • " evil prevails when good men do nothing"

        and right nowi dont feel there are any good men (or women) left .
        I was watching an episode of Boston Legal a few weeks ago , and James Spader's character made a very moveing speech about the state of the american people, he basicly said we have become so self absorbed and so apathetic the the whole of the nation doesnt seem to care what the govt. does. I for one have to agree with it , there seems to be less and less people that care , they dont seem to think that what the government does matters in their day to day life , or that they dont have power to really make a differance. Take in the fact that dureing the 60's ther were protest almost everyday not just agianst the war but about several other issues. you dont see that kind of mounting pressure form the people anymore to have things change . Its sad just plain sad.
    • Congress doesn't do anything because, imho, there's no real pressure by their constituents to do so.

      Since when does public support effect anything? During non-election years, the peoples' will isn't worth shit.
      • Dubai anyone?
      • That's magic. Look at Terri Schiavo, Congress took extraordinary action under the guise that they were serving the public's desires.
      • Heh heh- this wasn't public support. That was the Democrats finding a xenophobic knife to twist in the side of the Republicans, and using that same xenophobic racism to alienate the core Republican voters. The Democrats created the public outcry.
  • If you listen to some of the posters on Conservative, the signing statements are merely his interpretation of the law, so it's okay! Now, just because his interpretation of a new law is that it magically does not apply to him doesn't mean we shouldn't give our Commanderinchiefduringatimeofwar9/11neverforgetpeacepresidentwarpresient the benefit of the doubt.

    I've heard that during the senate judiciary hearings it was declared that it is illegal to censure a president. I guess President and president are homophones- the president is someone who was not elected and therefore is immune to the laws binding a President.
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