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Mmm mmm... Bottled Water

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Mmm mmm... Bottled Water

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I have gotten in minor tiffs with waiters over the water they give me in restaurants. When I ask for water, I have certain expectations of source and quality.

I fucking expect tap water that doesn't cost me anything. I have no interest in being handed a $1.25 bottle and an empty glass. I'm more than happy drinking the damn tap water.

Part of this is that bottled water is bullshit. (This rant was in fact, induced, by "Penn and Teller: Bullshit", which ran a segment on it) I've always felt as such- it certainly didn't taste any different to me. It's fucking _water_ for chrissakes. I cringe every time I'm dying of thirst, and there's no water fountain in sight, and one of those goddamn water pushers hawking bottled water.

Bottled water is possibly the only thing more annoying than sports drinks. Hey, guess what- when you're thirsty, and I mean really thirsty, you know what the best thing to drink is? _Water_. Purple goo that tastes like diseased urine is needless. You want to "rebuild electrolytes"? Have a fucking sandwich. You want to replace what you lost while working out? Food and water will do it. *gasp* In fact, people who drink large quantities of soft drinks, including sports drinks, are more likely to suffer from kidney stones. Those "electrolytes" are dissolved salts- and they hit your kidneys and come out of solution. If you don't drink enough just plain water to redissolve them, you get the joy of passing a rock through your urethra. Enjoy, fuckhat.
  • Sports drinks are useful when you have been sweating profusely... if you are just thirsty because you haven't had anything to drink in a while they don't help any better than plain water and some food. But in some situations... dancing at a club or rave, heavy labor, sporting events, they come out on top over regular water. They were never really intended to be a general purpose drink- they fill their original role better than anything else(I speak from experience and research here), but in other situations, they are a waste of money unless you happen to enjoy the taste.

    Too many people expect things to be a cure to everything.

    As for plain bottled water, 90% of the time, I actually prefer tap water too. So long as the tap water in question isn't discolored from the pipes or something, I'd go for that before I would go for bottled. The remaining 10% of the time is to save time over filling(occasionally happens at a decent sized rave where you'd spend half the time to get a new bottle that you would fighting the bathroom lines to refill)
  • And if the tap water leaves a pink stain on the counter after it evaporates?
    Or has a light brown color if you fill a tub up with it?
    Or has a downright unpleasant taste? or smells like chlorine?

    This is not a justification for bottled water (and I refused to defend a "sports water" in any form) but all tap water is not equal.
    • For the record - that pink/brown chlorine smelling water is the water in my house. And yes, I drink it. When it's very cold, you can't taste it. Though it freaks me out continuously that I'm actually drinking that stuff.

      I can't afford a filter yet, hence why I don't have one.
    • Actually, I kind of _like_ it when my water stains. Especially brownish ones, as nasty as it sounds, that's a high iron content, and I like the taste of iron.

      I've been around the northeast, and in that part of the country at least, I've seen pretty consistant quality in the water systems. Sometimes the piping gets bad, but I usually just use a filter, if it actually bothers me.

      One big secret with water is that your body automatically zeroes out its taste if you drink it consistantly. Switching water systems usually makes you recoil and say "yuck" due to different mineral contents, but consistant consumption usually gets you acclimated.
      • *nods*

        I can concur there. The tap water at work is just... I can't do it. At college they filtered their water with sulfur or something. Sulfur might be good for you, but I prefered bottled tap water over water that tasted like shit smelled.
      • Actually, I kind of _like_ it when my water stains. Especially brownish ones, as nasty as it sounds, that's a high iron content, and I like the taste of iron.

        Brown/orange/red, yes. That's just iron. White deposites tend to be carbonates and come out of water filtered through limestone. Those are the largest mineral components of most water you'll find from underground sources.

        If it's pink, it's likely bacteria (pseudomonas, if I remember correctly) and that's not so good for you. A small amount won't hurt, but it adds a vaguely sweet odor to the water. sickly sweet. If you're seeing a vagely metalic green sheen, that's E.Coli and something has gone drastically wrong with your system and you need to stop drinking it as you'll quickly get sick. If you're seeing green floaty bits, that's fron a surface water source (river, stream, etc) and probably algae related :)

        More than you ever watned to know about what's in your water, I'm sure.

    • And if the tap water leaves a pink stain on the counter after it evaporates?
      Or has a light brown color if you fill a tub up with it?
      Or has a downright unpleasant taste? or smells like chlorine?


      If you're on city/processed water, complain to the company. They can fix that. All water will eventually grow bacteria, it's a matter of how close to delivery it does that. At the very least, they can flush the system you're on by running water through the fire hydrants to flush out bacteria. Or they can shock their pipes (which means more chlorine smell for a while, but kills things nicely).

      If that doesn't work, a complaint to your Health Department or local water management agency might help.

      If you're on well water, same idea, but you have to do it yourself. Or your filters need changed. :)

  • Public water supplies have more stringent quality regs than water bottling companies.

    However, that doesn't mean public water tastes good. Or that your pipes are clean. Or not made with lead solder. So I filter mine. :)

    I bitterly resent buying water. What's worse is when I go to D.C. - the one place I've ever been where the water makes me rather violently ill. :-\
  • I'll go you one better.

    I used to work in the lab of a major water company in Illinois doing their testing to make sure that the water was safe acording to EPA and Illinois Health Department standards. (Low levels of bacteria, appropriate chlorine and flouride, etc...)

    At one point, we were approached by a company that wanted to use our water as the starting point for bottled "spring" water and wanted to know what our shelf life on our water was in comparison to other bottled water products out on the market.

    Now...out water came out of the large underground aquifer that crosses about 5 states in the midwest. *Technically* it's spring water, but that's not what most people think of when they think "spring water."

    So, we ran tests on the 5 most popular brands of water that we could find in our area over a period of three months against our finished, processed tap water that we pumped out to the world at large. Our results were quite interesting.

    The most popular brand started growing bacteria at 2 weeks. It reached "impure" status in about 3-4. The next two brands started growing bacteria at about 4 weeks and reached "impure" several weeks after that. The fifth started growing bacteria at about 5 weeks.

    Our tap water? Three months, no bacterial growth.

    If you're a stickler about not wanting to drink chlorine and fluoride, your best bet isn't bottled water. It's the tap filters that you attach to your sink, so long as you keep the filters clean and don't let the water sit around for months at a time rather than drinking it. If you want to be "fancy" get a sports bottle and put your filtered, pure water in that. :) It's healthier.

  • When I was little they were able to pipe water to my house directly from a spring. Yum.

    Course that spring is all been tainted, used up and is nasty now and so now I got tap water that smells like bleach. icky. I allay my guilt of buying bottled water by buying it in cheap bulk and recycling all the plastic. My mom's got a filter for one of the taps in her house, eventually I'll probably something like that myself.

    The Gatorade in the bottles tastes nothing like the stuff that was in the packets people could mix. The old packeted Gatorade was salty tasting, and I know helped with severe dehydration. There wasn't any corn syrup in it either, it probably was better for people to drink.
  • I drink tap water by preference.

    Of course, that's at my house, where we have our own well. No lead solder in the pipes (the well was drilled sometime between 1996 and 2000, so the piping is too new for that). The water comes from 155 feet down with nothing added. What you get from the tap is what's under the ground, and it's *delicious*.

    When I drink city water, by comparison, it smells and tastes of chlorine and other additives. My house water doesn't have that. It's hard to go to city water after drinking our wonderful house water, so I drink the (company-supplied) bottled water at work, not Seattle city water.

    I used to live in South San Jose, California. The water there was well water, too, but it was terrible. It was hard, and tasted *awful*. It wasn't iron, it was something else; I don't know what. It even smelled terrible, and left limescale deposits on everything. Yuck! We drank bottled water there, which we would go get for $0.25 a gallon at the local water store, like everyone else in the area; water stores were ubiquitous, because the water, while safe, was just unpleasant to drink.

    Spring water - real spring water - is what I prefer if I cannot get house water.

    Our water is so good that we sometimes take bottles to friends, and my stepdaughter has already decided that she's going to drink bottled house water - refilled at our taps - once she moves out on her own, rather than drinking city water.
  • depends where you are. Even in England the water quality varies. here in the West, tapwater is very pleasant but in the east I would not drink it from the tap without filtration. It tastes like liquid chalk.
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